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welcome back to calling all beings baby

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I'm your host DJ and tonight we gonna

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have all one of the original gangsters

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of UFO documentary filmmaking but before

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we get to that we gotta talk to the

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co-creator of this joint looking good

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beard looks good glasses looks good hair

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looks good put it together for money

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Nathan everything comes out his mouth is

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money he could even Finance James next

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movie yeah

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man that's incredible thank you hey it's

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so good to be here I have been looking

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forward to this interview for so long uh

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We've watched the film we're telling

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everybody about it I can't wait to get

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into the discussion it's just great to

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have everybody here and uh we're gonna

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we're gonna have a good time tonight uh

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we're gonna have a good time with this

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gentleman but you know what we have this

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lovely young lady in here she is our

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researcher she's the one that's bringing

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us strong bringing it real keeping us

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grounded not letting the head get away

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from us put your hands together for Deb

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a study of uap's the host of Deb's data

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hey everyone happy to be here happy to

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talk about the movie happy to talk to

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James yes oh man she's like she's like

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oh man she's making fingerprints in her

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table right now I'm about to talk to

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James in the zone I can feel it

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all right uh Nathan you know you're well

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aware that uh that I had a sighting uh

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back in the day

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um I I had you know my own UFO sighting

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I have this sighting and while friends

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and family were very skeptical I knew

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what I saw okay it was in fact the

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phenomenon it was in fact the moment of

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contact so without any further ado

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bring in the brother the filmmaker who's

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a researcher who's getting it done for

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the community party people put your

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hands together for James C Fox

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we gotta do that intro one more time but

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can you can you pick up the temp temple

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just a little bit

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can't sleep on this one that's for sure

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I'm kidding that was beautiful thank you

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thank you brother James in the chat I

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just want to say we have jewels of the

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wood she is the jewel of uh of Indiana

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by way of Alabama so uh be nice to Julie

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in the chat show some love and we will

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try to get your questions in with the

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brother James C Fox

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James so you know obviously when you

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look at me you're going to realize that

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my first question is uh it's going to be

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about hair and so I'm wondering if when

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you went to Brazil do you feel like you

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were more well received as a result of

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having a head of hair that has been

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haunting me uh since I saw the

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phenomenon this this wonderful head of

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hair do you think that helped you to get

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people to open up or do you think a bald

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guy like me could have gone down there

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phenomenon I had this guy that I was

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working with and he he goes this is like

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guy I was like uh that was me he goes

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Finishing Line and so you know such is

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not more I I uh you know what I I this

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disagree with the guests but I don't

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but that's okay we can agree to disagree

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all right all right let me go to my

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first real question uh that isn't the

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one where you know I was going to ask if

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you and Jerry uh what What's his name

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again Jeremy guys uh the the great uh

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filmmaker colleague of James Fox Corey

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bill yeah do you guys have like a secret

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like when you seems like yo what's up

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of the phenomenon and George Knapp's

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room and had a great time

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I I tell you guys I'll tell you what man

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you guys are like some Skull and Bones

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members right there you and you and

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Corbell that that's that's that's the

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the place you hold in our hearts for

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researches UFOs or are you a researcher

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oil spill 2010.

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conservationist by the uh by the name

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Martin Linton that was called the good

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fight I've done PSAs things of that

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nature but but more probably

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camera gear along this journey and I

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um globally and I make films about it

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and um so I share my research with the

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general public through my movies

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I I had my answer to this question I

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think you're definitely a a researcher

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because your passion was so evident in

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what you were doing that you were

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willing to get your literal hands and

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feet dirty to do this and um and it came

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through as as very authentic so I want

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to compliment you on that and I want to

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turn you over to the very capable hands

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of the man we call Money Nathan thanks

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to DJ yeah so uh this film was

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incredibly compelling to me just hearing

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folks who are at different walks of life

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project and it was great to see that I

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think the phenomena was a was also a

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fantastic film but to see your passion

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walk in the streets talking to people uh

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pursuing this story it was just very

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very rewarding and what I wanted to ask

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you about you know what does it feel

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giving voice to so many people who felt

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like they've been ignored for such a

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long time and and what will it feel like

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for you if the day comes and we all hope

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that it will where we get even greater

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government acknowledgment of incidents

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like this one in Brazil and elsewhere

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I never thought that 2017 the revelation

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of atip on the front page of the New

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official evidence taken from the cockpit

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of of Navy Jets I honestly didn't

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Stanton Friedman and other you know

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older researchers that had spent a

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about you know uh Stanton Friedman I

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think about Kehoe I think about you know

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all these guys that came before us

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physical capacity now keep in mind to

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your audience that didn't just happen it

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communities had this Epiphany and felt

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phenomenon it was people that on the

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we're going to find a loophole and sneak

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this evidence out and put it on the

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front page of the New York Times almost

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forced their hand right and you can't

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put the genie back in the bottle and so

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an alleged UFO crash and live beings

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walking through the town of Virginia if

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you'd told me that 10 years ago Jesus

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and so we're pushing the envelope a

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the line I myself had trouble believing

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the story when I first heard about it

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the late night in fact I didn't believe

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the story when I heard about the late

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yeah the phenomenon and I know what I

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certain phases and and your films have

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conversation you keep you couldn't have

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a film like this today uh doing it a few

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conversation the level of curiosity the

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uh reduction of the Snicker Factor

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obviously it's still happening a little

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bit but I feel like it's happening a lot

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less and I don't know if that's been

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your experience

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oh it's definitely happened a lot less I

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mean my God I used to get laughed at all

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the time I got laughed at for decades

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you know in fact I tell this funny story

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I used to live in a I lived on a

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houseboat

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um in uh Northern North of San Francisco

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is a little town called Sausalito on the

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water and there's a bunch of houseboats

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out on the docks and I used to live out

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on the dock and everybody on the dock

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kind of knows each other because you

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know you got to pass each other on the

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dock there's this guy who's like a Wall

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Street guy in San Francisco Financial

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guy always Suit and Tie

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he lived a couple houses down and and uh

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he would always call me UFO boy

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hey beautiful boy you know really kind

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of condescending I was like whatever you

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know just let I just let it like a a

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water off the duck a duck's back and

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then one time he he stops feeling this

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is in the 90s he stops me on the on the

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deck on the dock we walk out this long

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dock to get to our houseboats and he

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goes hey UFO boy he goes

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you don't actually believe in any of

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this do you I said I was like no no

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God of course not I I I just do it for

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the money which is totally penniless

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right he's like oh good good good oh

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good you know he turns around and off he

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goes incredible were you like Don

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Johnson like were you wearing like

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pastels like on myself had the alligator

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like Garden sort of the boat I should

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have been we had a little zodiac we had

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a private doc it was pretty cool nice

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that's awesome well I'm gonna pass it

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off to Deb I want to I know she's got a

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question for you you guys check it out

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I'm not going to answer but Jaime mosa

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is calling me right now from Mexico City

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behind me man what's up Holmes bring

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them up send them to voicemail very cool

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I would love to chat with him too okay

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so I just wanted to

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um say you know you mentioned these

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people that were

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you know the Giants before us ooh I also

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have great respect for him one of them

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was Dr Roger Lear and you have footage

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um in your documentary that has finally

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come to light thankfully because of the

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work that you've done

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um but but my question is having done

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all of this work

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what were the ramifications for the

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witnesses and the people that you spoke

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to

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um has it been smooth sailing for them

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since the documentary has come out

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um or has it had a ripple effect in

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Brazil do you know

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um if there's been an impact because of

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your documentary definitely there has

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been an impact and that impact is just

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starting to be felt

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there was a guy named Victor pekachini

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he was one of the leading UFO

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researchers he was the one that found

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originally in 1996 military X who's uh

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he'll have to remain nameless right now

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um and a slew of others

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um

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he vanished I want to say it was

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2002 or 2004

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he just completely nobody knew where he

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was couldn't get a hold of him uh

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Claudio kovo the other researcher died

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and then we had another guy named Uber

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Rodriguez and he did a complete 180 and

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started contradicting all the statements

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and even the uh all the stuff he put in

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his own book so clearly something was up

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uh Victor uh pakachini Hector Factory

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I'm sorry it's packaging I've always

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referred to him as pakachini are you

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sure that's not an appetizer at an

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Italian restaurant that you could be

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infusing it with like a beef tips or a

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little side dish yeah I know I know it's

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uh but he he uh resurfaced a couple of

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nights ago

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um I know that he's had access to

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high-level uh Brazilian military

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Witnesses because he

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so don't go too far on this one

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um he did something that would ensure uh

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the security of a lot of the Brazilian

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Reese um uh Witnesses by documented

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their accounts that was never to be

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released unless something happened to

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them or their families so packagini had

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Direct access to some of these

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high-level Brazilian uh Witnesses

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military Witnesses and he has since uh

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just a couple of nights ago come back on

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the scene and is speaking rather

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candidly about aspects of the case that

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we were had suspected were true but were

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were untrue and there's more details

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coming out in the next uh uh probably 48

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to 72 hours

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regarding uh military X do you know if

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he retired from the military or did they

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still have their because if he if he got

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out versus retired then his retirement

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is on the line should he step no pun

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intended should he step out of line

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um his retirement could be vulnerable I

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think that's the least of his concerns

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okay

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than that oh yeah interesting

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yeah what do you attribute that to do

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you think that that is pressure from

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abroad or do you think that's pressure

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from within from within their

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sovereignty well I initially thought

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that it was just pressure within their

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sovereignty

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um I had the distinct advantage of

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having met with a guy Brigadier I want

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to say Brigadier General but it's

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Bridget Brigadier Air Force official by

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the name of Jose Carlos podera I've got

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photographs of my meeting with him in

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2013. he was a really top-notch Air

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Force official in the Brazilian Air

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Force and he agreed to an interview

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regarding the UFO phenomenon in the

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country of Brazil

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he was talking about ubatuba colorus in

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the 70s UFOs over Sao Paulo in 86 and

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some other more recent cases he said if

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you talk if you asked me about Virginia

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this interview is terminated and I'll be

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leaving

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uh you know and he

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at the end of the interview I came up to

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him with my partner at the time Leo uh

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Marco Leal

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and we said um

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sir

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we promise you there are no recording

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devices or No cameras rolling here could

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you please please you know tell us like

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what happened we're begging to play with

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him he's kind of going back to

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his uh had a driver waiting for him and

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he was walking back to that car and he

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said something initially in Portuguese

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to Marco layout and I don't know how the

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exact interpretation but it's something

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about if you want to stay alive

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sometimes it's good to keep your mouth

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shut and then when he got to the car I

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kept begging him please please just

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please just between us he got in the car

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he sat down he left the door open he

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looked that up looked up at us and he

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said it happened and he closed the door

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off they went so back in 2013 we had a

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pretty

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solid

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confirmation that I was very comfortable

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with that this case was real and um

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you know I'd always believed the girls

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the the because the girls I mean the

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three girls in broad daylight came with

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an eight to ten feet of this being I

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just God I believe those girls but I

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didn't have the connection I didn't have

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other aspects of the story like you know

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the cover-up the the military's

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involvement the UFO the guy that

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witnessed Carlos de Souza who witnessed

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the UFO crash he was gone like there

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were so many people to track down and it

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took a long time long time I mean I was

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at least 11 years with my involvement

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and four trips to Brazil a month each

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time

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and my partner Marco Leal he was 15 16

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17 18 years

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the culmination of all this research

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along with other fellow younger

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Brazilian UFO researchers that that uh

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that led to the the birth of this film

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just to add to it before I pass it to

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money Nathan viajante who might be from

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Brazil said this case only exists

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because uh the Virginia case only exists

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thanks to pakachini so that's just

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wanted to throw that in there since no

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question no question he made a

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significant contribution yes sir

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extremely significant

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well we uh we're talking a lot about and

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I've heard you mentioned this on some

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recent interviews too the timing timing

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is interesting and uh not only have you

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heard from what I've heard you say

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recently that the timing of this film is

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quite coincidental or uh at least it may

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it may end up being quite coincidental

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but I have I have a feeling that there

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are a lot of folks that are watching

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what is happening with the rollout of

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this film and and watching the reception

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watching uh how the Witnesses are being

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treated because and you probably know

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this just through the people you've

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encountered that there are folks who

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have similar experiences who have had

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been undergone a similar level of stress

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if not more so and they're now in a

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position at least in our country where

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they might be able to come forward and

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share what they know but there there's

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the ridicule Factor there's the uh you

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know professional uh impact to their

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livelihood so they're looking at this

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and going okay how is this going and

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will it allow me to to do what I need to

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do or feel compelled to do in the wake

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of a storyline like this are you getting

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the sense that this may very well be

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kind of Paving the way for other other

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incidents other Witnesses and it to come

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forward

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it is my hope and what absolutely you

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know and we had

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hanging on a little longer before we

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release the film because there were some

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other Rumblings of witnesses coming

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forward as well as physical evidence

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and I made

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a decision a calculated decision you

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know it's less about my film and more

532
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about other Witnesses and and and

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further investigations and encouraging

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more people to come forward enjoying

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this movement

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and so I thought I think it would

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be better for the whole community

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to put the film out

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and and benefit from

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raising the level of awareness about

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this incident and encouraging other

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Witnesses both American and Brazilian to

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come forward

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and I think that's happening in fact

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it's already started to happen and I'm

546
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I'm very confident and look we're just

547
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now trying to get into negotiations with

548
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a platform that will put this film in

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every house uh in in the in the country

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of Brazil I mean we're weeks away

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hopefully from from solidifying that

552
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,799
that's my my sole objective right now

553
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,440
um is to try to try and do that I yeah

554
00:22:40,909 --> 00:22:39,360
so you know we have Netflix we can deal

555
00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:40,919
with Netflix is great the problem with

556
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,260
Netflix is they want exclusivity they

557
00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:45,360
don't want to share with anybody else uh

558
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:47,460
so they're gonna have to come step up to

559
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,840
the plate right away or we're going to

560
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,640
go with other we're going to get this

561
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,320
film across Brazil let's put it that way

562
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,200
fantastic well let me ask a follow-up uh

563
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,840
have you gotten the sense that uh within

564
00:23:01,970 --> 00:23:00,480
Brazil that there are elements just like

565
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:01,980
we've heard rumors of in the United

566
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:04,200
States elements of sort of rapid

567
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:05,940
response teams to these kinds of

568
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:08,340
incidents that there may be uh sort of

569
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,020
uh you know Specialist or

570
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:12,000
sub-specialists within the Brazilian

571
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:15,000
military who who deal with incidents

572
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,740
like this or have dealt with incidents

573
00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:18,720
like this do you think that that's the

574
00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:21,179
case or is it just oh this happened and

575
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:23,580
we just mobilized the nearest unit and

576
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:25,380
they showed up and just kind of did what

577
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:27,000
we told them to do but somebody called

578
00:23:31,149 --> 00:23:28,860
the shots on that right

579
00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:31,159
well we got pretty good information

580
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:34,620
Intel from a Brazilian researcher who

581
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:37,320
had inside connections but wasn't able

582
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:40,980
to reveal the exact name of that point

583
00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:43,380
of contact that was that the United

584
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,080
States

585
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,000
contacted the Brazilian authorities

586
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,880
uh letting them know that there was an

587
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:52,380
unidentified object or several

588
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:55,860
unidentified objects in the region uh of

589
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,640
Virginia the state of Minister ice and

590
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:02,159
um and we felt it was it was it was

591
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,260
strong enough where the Amer so the

592
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,240
Americans notified the Brazilians and

593
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,820
the Brazilians responded accordingly I

594
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,679
mean the the witness that saw it hit the

595
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:12,720
ground Carlos de Souza he said the

596
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:14,280
military was on the scene within five

597
00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:15,720
minutes

598
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:18,140
what incredible yeah that's incredible

599
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,820
so they they were already moving in that

600
00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:23,520
direction like absolutely yeah they had

601
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:26,900
it on radar more than likely oh yeah

602
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:30,240
yeah and then when you arrived when the

603
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:31,620
military arrived they weren't there to

604
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:37,450
because you know it's great exercise

605
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:41,280
right yeah those abs like you know it's

606
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,799
a Brazilian here said something via Jean

607
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:45,600
let me see if I can find his comment

608
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,580
again

609
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:49,200
viajante where is it he said uh

610
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:53,580
something like demise uh BRS poraki

611
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:56,580
which would be like uh have more I don't

612
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,400
know what BRS is an abbreviation uh

613
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,460
around here is what that would mean so I

614
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:04,860
don't know if he means Witnesses here it

615
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,760
is Tim it's it's right here so he or she

616
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,860
is saying demise I don't know what BRS

617
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:13,260
if you could spell that out for me via

618
00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:17,100
Gente BRS but it means have more or uh

619
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,350
I don't know what BRS is the only word I

620
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,159
don't know what that is me too so

621
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:28,799
viajante spell it out we Americans

622
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:31,620
brother or sister let's be all right you

623
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:35,220
know mine I know some poor damn do they

624
00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:38,460
have have right yeah I know that much

625
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,430
oh you want some red wine

626
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:51,360
I think he's saying it stands for

627
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:54,960
Brazilian yeah so hey uh go for it Debs

628
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:56,940
okay

629
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,919
I'm actually really excited about

630
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,840
talking about the Americans coming on

631
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:06,000
the scene first of all because I've

632
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:08,700
gotten information that the military air

633
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,100
traffic controller in Brazil has come

634
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,919
forward recently talking about being

635
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:16,080
a part of this case so yes people are

636
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,179
coming forward but

637
00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:20,159
um there's an actual lot of history

638
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,620
about Americans showing up to pick up

639
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,240
objects and I know you've mentioned

640
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:26,159
crash retrievals

641
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,140
um and it's one of the people who has

642
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:30,240
helped you in the past Kevin Randall

643
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:31,980
actually wrote a book about that program

644
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,960
that did those crash retrievals called

645
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,340
Moon dust

646
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,980
and I was wondering if you're on that

647
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,320
path if you're chasing that down at all

648
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,020
about project moondust coming to pick up

649
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:47,039
crashes American soldiers come in to

650
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:50,520
pick up crashes in other countries

651
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:54,419
I quite honestly barely believed

652
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,020
in UFO crashes I mean I was pretty

653
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:00,720
convinced about Roswell

654
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,799
you know I didn't believe this case

655
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:07,200
I'm open to learning more about Aztec

656
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,480
and a handful of others but quite on and

657
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,200
the one in um in Russia uh in the forest

658
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:16,380
what was that tenguska or something you

659
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,279
know so to answer your question I

660
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:22,559
I don't think for right now I'm going to

661
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:25,740
set my sights on further uh alleged

662
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:28,860
crash UFO crashes I think what I'm gonna

663
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,620
focus in on is

664
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,659
where's the evidence the physical

665
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,320
evidence that we now know pretty

666
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:39,120
confidently exists and who has the

667
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,789
so basically going on the Assumption

668
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,600
look the phenomenon is real we know

669
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,000
you're hiding you know the the Holy

670
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,340
Grail of evidence you know enough of

671
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,080
these like Blurry videos coming out from

672
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,659
Navy Jets we want the bodies we want the

673
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,480
debris we want to move evidence you know

674
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,179
and I might be chasing uh rainbows here

675
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,919
with the idea that I could actually get

676
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:03,659
some traction but I'm gonna go for it

677
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,860
anyway

678
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:07,260
uh you're taking me to one of my later

679
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:08,940
questions

680
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,440
um uh James but what but I'll ask it now

681
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:14,880
we got to get to a question from red

682
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,400
panda koala he is a future guest and

683
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,500
he's also an amazing content creator

684
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:21,600
himself he has a question that Julie has

685
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,960
for you but since you've uh since you've

686
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,059
gone down that road what do you think is

687
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:29,760
the appropriate level of disclosure and

688
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,840
why and what do you think the

689
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:32,820
ramifications of that level of

690
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,919
disclosure might be

691
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,500
God you guys I'm just not an expert at

692
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:39,960
knowing about this stuff I mean what I

693
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,860
have

694
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,360
done

695
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:44,159
at pretty high level government

696
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,100
officials from all around the globe

697
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,500
I've done it in Russia and China and

698
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:52,080
South America and

699
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:52,740
um

700
00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:55,980
in the United States is

701
00:29:03,169 --> 00:28:58,940
I could never wrap my mind around

702
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:03,179
why would anyone want to cover up what

703
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,299
could be the biggest revelation of our

704
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:09,120
time that we're not alone in the

705
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:10,620
universe that we're

706
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:13,080
part of a much larger

707
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,220
Cosmos of of of of of life and it seems

708
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,720
so exciting and what a wonderful

709
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,760
unifying effect it would have on

710
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,679
humanity and human race and all this

711
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,779
stuff but then like this military guy

712
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,220
looks at me and he was like look man I

713
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,600
don't know what planet you're you're

714
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,480
wandering around on but we don't look at

715
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:31,679
it that way

716
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:35,760
we look at it like we got a problem we

717
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:39,240
have objects of Unknown Origin whizzing

718
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:40,919
around with impunity in our airspace

719
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:44,039
that fly rings around our fastest jets

720
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:45,899
shall they turn out to be hostile we

721
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,640
have no visible you know means of

722
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,100
defense against them we have no idea who

723
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:52,799
they are where they come from or what

724
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:53,640
they want

725
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:56,520
how on Earth do we disclose that to the

726
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,659
General Public

727
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,820
it's a problem

728
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:01,860
and you can't reveal what you know

729
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:03,419
without revealing all the things that

730
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:06,120
you don't know that was the first time I

731
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:07,980
honestly was like

732
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,630
okay

733
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,500
I never thought of it that way you know

734
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,720
right because we apply our own

735
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:21,059
sensibilities it's the human thing to do

736
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:23,940
everybody must be like me everybody has

737
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,940
to see it the way I see it and the fact

738
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:28,260
that someone sees this differently is

739
00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:30,179
kind of ridiculous and then you go oh

740
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,039
wait a minute we have this discussion

741
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:34,140
yesterday with Nathan I thought I was

742
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,880
going to convince him of something and

743
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:37,679
in fact he convinced me that he was

744
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,399
correct so so you know you just have to

745
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:43,860
be open to that that your assumptions

746
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,260
and your even conclusions could be

747
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:49,440
incorrect and although I have beat the

748
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:52,020
hell out of the US government uh on past

749
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,700
shows for things that that have been

750
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:56,100
obfuscated I now kind of understand

751
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,960
looking at the climate that they're

752
00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:59,760
operating in why they might have done

753
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:01,980
that even if I don't like it or agree

754
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:04,200
with it I don't have to like it I don't

755
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:05,820
have to agree with it but I could

756
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:07,500
understand it perhaps yeah there you go

757
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:10,020
yeah I'm kind of right there with you

758
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:14,820
still feel like as scary as it might be

759
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,100
or is or whatever

760
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:19,620
um we're all entitled to it it's part of

761
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:22,440
uh the bigger picture and and uh we we

762
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,659
should we should know

763
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,340
yeah you know what I mean

764
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,860
it's it's very it's very difficult to

765
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:30,600
divorce ourselves from what we want

766
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,020
because you might have to have a 80 000

767
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,059
foot view of it I only have to need to

768
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,919
have my view of it and those are my

769
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:39,600
colleagues and friends you guys think

770
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:41,220
that like maybe where someone's petri

771
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,500
dish

772
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:44,940
oh no you gotta need to listen to

773
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,100
Nathan's show liminal frames with EXO

774
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:48,960
Academia because they dive all into that

775
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:51,720
stuff who's next Nathan is it you no I

776
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:53,399
think it's Deb she is yeah Deb go for it

777
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:57,000
buddy oh no no it's Nathan's turn oh it

778
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,740
is I don't want I don't want you to lose

779
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,960
your turn man good I appreciate that all

780
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,880
right so James I want to get uh I want

781
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:04,140
to get a little reflective here on this

782
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:07,080
one so uh one thing that surprised me

783
00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:10,919
about this incident and and granted I I

784
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:12,600
wasn't as familiar with it and a lot of

785
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,100
other folks who've been in ufology

786
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,620
haven't necessarily been incredibly

787
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:19,260
familiar with it but so far I've really

788
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:20,460
not heard

789
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:23,520
a lot of the uh what I would typically

790
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:25,559
expect to see like the skeptical

791
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,539
narratives emerge about this incident

792
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:29,520
you know so you've been living and

793
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:31,080
breathing that this one for a very long

794
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:33,419
time as you mentioned I mean what's the

795
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,580
skeptic's response to what happened in

796
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,980
Brazil because it doesn't seem very

797
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,080
everything that you've presented in in

798
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:43,200
the in the documentary like doesn't it's

799
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:45,299
super convincing to me but what what's

800
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,980
the alternative story here they were

801
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,480
just kind of having some sort of weird

802
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:50,760
military exercise and they captured a

803
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:54,059
you know a strange creature that got

804
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,620
loose from the Amazon rainforest or

805
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,120
something like what what happened there

806
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,460
I mean it doesn't make sense well you'll

807
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:01,860
see at the end of the film

808
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:05,640
um I mean the outlandish nature of the

809
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:08,880
story itself is its own best you know

810
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:11,399
right way of of keeping it for the

811
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,019
general public I mean you tell someone I

812
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,120
mean I got a guy who lives up the street

813
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,880
from me who's you totally a big fan of

814
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:20,399
my work and loves the phenomenon loves

815
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,960
out of the blue loves I know what I saw

816
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,179
and he goes

817
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:27,000
James I I hate to say this

818
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,740
I feel really bad not having you back on

819
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,360
this one but you've gone a little far

820
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,880
for me buddy I'm sorry but I uh I just

821
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:35,039
you lost me and I'm a little worried

822
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:36,000
about you

823
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:39,299
I said Jamie I completely respect your

824
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:40,919
opinion on that and I completely

825
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,600
understand why you feel the way you do

826
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:45,360
all I ask is that if you can just like

827
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,419
hit the pause button

828
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,820
come listen to the eyewitness testimony

829
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:53,100
firsthand and then draw your own

830
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,659
conclusions because

831
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:56,940
you know you just

832
00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,940
you know you could tap the shoulder of

833
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,620
anyone walking on a man on the street

834
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,880
and say hey what do you think of this

835
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:04,559
UFO the crashed and these live aliens

836
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,820
survived and they're walking through the

837
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:08,040
town and you just sound like a nut job

838
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,980
you know and I heard about it and I've

839
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:13,080
said this a couple times already

840
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,940
I heard about it in the 90s when I was

841
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,520
making a documentary on UFOs it's

842
00:34:21,730 --> 00:34:19,679
working on another blue

843
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:21,740
and my partner this guy Tim Coleman

844
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,359
coincidentally he got a he got a a

845
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:25,679
credit in the movie even though he had

846
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:27,540
nothing to do with it because he turned

847
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:31,800
me on to it back in 1998 or 99. and uh I

848
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,960
dismissed it I tell people it was like

849
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:35,700
oh watch you ready for it wait for it

850
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:40,200
and then it's gone yeah that fast and

851
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,359
he was really annoyed with me you know

852
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:45,060
and and um but I didn't give it another

853
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:47,879
thought not another thought for at least

854
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:50,940
10 or 11 years not nothing then I heard

855
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,080
about it again I just thought it's

856
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:54,119
impossible there's no way this happened

857
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:56,339
and everybody not know about it so I

858
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:57,720
totally get

859
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,339
why

860
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:04,790
I've had reviews and I try not to read

861
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:07,500
them and I can tell whether the person

862
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:09,420
has seen the movie or not

863
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:12,060
if they're completely dismissive

864
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:15,060
and just say another Fox fantasy

865
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,820
they clearly haven't watched the movie

866
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:19,079
I've had other ones that say as

867
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:21,240
outlandish and crazy as this might come

868
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,640
across is the way I was feeling when I

869
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,720
turned you know

870
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:26,820
I was compelled

871
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:29,460
to listen to further eyewitness I I must

872
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,460
something happened there okay say

873
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:35,760
exactly what but you know you can't just

874
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:38,820
dismiss all those Witnesses because

875
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:42,180
no one person has the entire

876
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:44,099
peace peace all the pieces of the puzzle

877
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,300
right the picture

878
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:47,520
but if you start putting all the pieces

879
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:49,560
together it paints a pretty compelling

880
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,619
picture that something crashed and that

881
00:35:57,849 --> 00:35:55,920
there were live beings entities whatever

882
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:57,859
the hell you want to call them

883
00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:00,780
wandering around in the town in broad

884
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,859
daylight

885
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:02,880
um

886
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:08,750
pretty crazy it is well and you have so

887
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:10,740
many witnesses again from all walks of

888
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,380
life uh they're not sitting around a

889
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
coffee table and getting their stories

890
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:18,240
straight with each other uh so it that

891
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:21,240
that to me is quite convincing

892
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:25,079
um Everybody took it took so long

893
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,060
to convince those witnesses to come

894
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:29,940
forward 85 percent of them we chase down

895
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:33,000
for over seven years and 10 years 15

896
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:33,960
years

897
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:39,119
no joke and they were all you know oh

898
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:40,740
I'll do it I won't do it or I'll never

899
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,660
do it or maybe I'll do it you know five

900
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,520
years later oh maybe after I retire

901
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:46,859
maybe up maybe kept going kept going

902
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:49,079
kept going

903
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:52,260
military X was very we had a window with

904
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,420
military X about that

905
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:57,599
like that and we struck and it was like

906
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,099
a I think it was like a Sunday or

907
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,619
something and he was like oh maybe I'll

908
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:03,720
meet maybe I won't and maybe I'll meet

909
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:05,160
Wednesday and I looked at my buddy and

910
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:06,839
Marco and I said Marco we're going right

911
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,619
now

912
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,359
let's carry on this conversation we're

913
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,980
having with him in the car while we're

914
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,200
driving four hours because he ain't wait

915
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:15,839
until Wednesday I guarantee you by when

916
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,400
he'll change his mind he's getting a

917
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,500
call from the military base like we're

918
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:22,320
going now and we went now we jumped to

919
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:23,460
the car and went

920
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,780
we didn't even know where we were

921
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:26,339
meeting when we were driving up the road

922
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:28,260
to go get him and we didn't know if he

923
00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:29,339
was going to pull the carpet out from

924
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:31,859
under us but we went for it and boy did

925
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,660
it pay off oh yeah

926
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:35,700
and your friend Jamie who said that he's

927
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,260
worried about you has he seen your hair

928
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,880
that's all I have to say there's no

929
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,500
reason to worry there's nothing to worry

930
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:43,440
about here this is about that I I

931
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:45,900
question his judgment Debs go ahead for

932
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:48,359
my friend this is an exciting moment for

933
00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:50,760
me because now I can present to James

934
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:53,780
Fox a question from another leading

935
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,339
documentarian who gives us some of the

936
00:38:03,829 --> 00:37:59,520
best information on UFOs in the world

937
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,839
red panda koala red panda koala asked

938
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:06,300
yes very very excellent

939
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,260
um well I'll read the whole thing it

940
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:09,180
says cheers everyone I'd be curious to

941
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:11,940
know what James sources have heard about

942
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:15,660
upcoming the upcoming UAP reports and

943
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,589
oh well the havantas isn't the Havana

944
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,700
syndrome just that weird device that was

945
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,440
used probably by the Russians or

946
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,440
something or the or the Cubans of that

947
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,900
was going to interfering with these uh

948
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:32,400
government officials hearing or

949
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:34,500
something about I don't know I thought

950
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,359
it was related to spice rum but I I

951
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,400
probably am waiting probably well there

952
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:40,740
we go okay yeah no

953
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,700
um

954
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,160
all I got was a phone call from a guy

955
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:48,119
that uh Insider and I I gave him a sneak

956
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,440
peek of the film

957
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,660
a few months back and he said boy you

958
00:38:55,810 --> 00:38:53,339
have no idea how good your timing is on

959
00:38:57,849 --> 00:38:55,820
this is it

960
00:39:02,089 --> 00:38:57,859
elaborate what do you mean

961
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:02,099
he was like sit tight sit tight

962
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:04,020
yeah so

963
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,700
that's what I know

964
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:08,160
well I don't have much more than that to

965
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,220
offer but uh but I'm told that uh yeah

966
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,680
that the the the the the the crash

967
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:16,079
retrieval the the material the the

968
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,359
bodies apparently is gonna but I I would

969
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:20,700
imagine is going to be a topic that uh

970
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:23,099
that is addressed in the near future

971
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:25,220
yeah

972
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,540
wouldn't that be cool I'd love to have

973
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:29,040
some validation I feel like I'm like

974
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,619
hanging out here kind of Solo getting

975
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:33,839
torn Torn to Pieces in the mainstream

976
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,940
you know I'm ready for some I need

977
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:38,400
backup guys come on yeah do you have the

978
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:40,200
I told you show t-shirt ready to wear

979
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:47,230
that's great

980
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:49,560
I want you to know James that the

981
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,480
background Nathan can confirmed the

982
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:53,460
background to my Twitter since we

983
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,839
started this show has been the

984
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,460
phenomenon and it's not because you just

985
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:58,320
you're coming on this week it has been

986
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:01,020
that because it's my Woodstock oh

987
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:04,680
awesome yes it is and since the day I I

988
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,079
changed over to the genre Nathan and I

989
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,240
he came up with a logo and everything

990
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:10,980
that you that you're looking at he came

991
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,619
up with including the name uh the

992
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:15,780
phenomenon was the background uh when I

993
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:18,180
when I started that for for uh for for

994
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,520
my personal Twitter which is call all

995
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:22,440
beings

996
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:24,420
um well Mark Parish by one of my

997
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:27,180
co-producers on that on that project we

998
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,099
were bouncing ideas back and forth on

999
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:31,859
titles and and we'd even I'd even at one

1000
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,020
point looked at the memo from Nathan

1001
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,720
Twain in 1947 where he calls it they

1002
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,760
refer to it as the phenomenon so I was

1003
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:40,680
familiar with the term for a long time

1004
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:42,599
and he goes what about the phenomenon I

1005
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,240
was like duh it's been staring Us in the

1006
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:47,839
face all this time like yeah of course

1007
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,579
before we also thought about that in the

1008
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:52,440
past you know before it's just perfect

1009
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,260
it's brilliant and before we get to my

1010
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:57,480
next question for you

1011
00:41:02,450 --> 00:40:59,820
um we invited on someone from reality

1012
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,460
television she's uh named Kate Casey she

1013
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,320
has this show called reality life with

1014
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:06,540
Kate Casey she's from uh Newport Beach

1015
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,020
she was in my old show before I came to

1016
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,599
UFO she's one of the most amazing guests

1017
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,300
I've ever had and she said give me one

1018
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,400
documentary to watch

1019
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,280
and and if I and I'll come on your show

1020
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,839
give me because I said we're talking

1021
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,700
UFOs with the Kate and I said the

1022
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,680
phenomenon that's the one you need to

1023
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,599
watch and that and then she did come on

1024
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:30,240
and and to be honest to go back to our

1025
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:31,859
previous discussion about five minutes

1026
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,339
ago she was not very happy with us

1027
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:37,920
trying to change her world view to that

1028
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,920
that she needed to consider that there

1029
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,480
was something that was outside of her

1030
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:43,920
purview

1031
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:46,740
um I love I have high regard for Kate

1032
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:49,020
Casey but she was not ready for us to

1033
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,000
try to push that on her well did she

1034
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,520
watch the phenomenon she did she did she

1035
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:56,160
watched it and

1036
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,400
I think she was she was she picked apart

1037
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,220
a couple of things that was

1038
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:03,839
uncharacteristic of her but I believe

1039
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:06,119
she did so because

1040
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,420
in essence we were trying to change her

1041
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,000
world view and that is

1042
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:14,520
that's what we as a group and a

1043
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,619
community are up against we're trying to

1044
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,780
say to people this is not in your life

1045
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,880
right now but it needs to be because

1046
00:42:25,690 --> 00:42:22,800
it's not avoidable it's not something

1047
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:25,700
that you can wish away it's here okay

1048
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,619
and right Nathan A lot of people are

1049
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:30,300
just not comfortable with that

1050
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:33,140
oh absolutely I mean there's a huge uh

1051
00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:36,119
psychological component to this and uh

1052
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,740
that is actually going to kind of tie

1053
00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:38,880
into the question I had for you James

1054
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,119
and that's that you know we hear pretty

1055
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:45,000
frequently that those who've encountered

1056
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,339
had these kinds of Close Encounters have

1057
00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:49,440
had uh

1058
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:52,740
experiences that fall outside the the

1059
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:56,339
norm of just seeing a craft just seeing

1060
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,220
a being they they often recount uh

1061
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:02,220
receiving information uh you know like I

1062
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,660
know Roger lehrman mentioned that I

1063
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,220
think one of the doctors had received

1064
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:07,680
some kind of a download or even the the

1065
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,260
young women that saw the creature have

1066
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,420
mentioned that they had some dreams

1067
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:15,420
later on after the incident and I wonder

1068
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:17,700
you know in your encounters and and

1069
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:20,099
interviews how often does this come up

1070
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,079
that someone has this you know hard to

1071
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:26,460
compartmentalize experience you know it

1072
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,859
just doesn't fit in a normal box of I

1073
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,240
saw something it was shaped like this

1074
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,119
it's this odd knowledge that they that

1075
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:35,160
clearly they wrestle with and it impacts

1076
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:36,240
their life

1077
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:39,300
I was interviewing in the late 90s early

1078
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:40,680
2000s

1079
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,839
a witness I think his name is trig

1080
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:44,460
Johnson

1081
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,300
he was a commercial airline pilot

1082
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:52,079
who was a witness to the UFO

1083
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,359
that he almost described as scraping

1084
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,119
along the city blocks

1085
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:00,560
late at night March 13th

1086
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:07,190
we did the interview we did it out in

1087
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,540
this balcony outside overlooking where

1088
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:10,800
he'd seen this thing

1089
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,079
and uh We've we finished the interview

1090
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:15,420
and he described in Vivid detail about

1091
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,060
this craft and he said it was so huge he

1092
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:19,920
said just the way it was almost dragging

1093
00:44:26,349 --> 00:44:22,859
down the street was so low wow and then

1094
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:26,359
he goes uh ah there's something else

1095
00:44:30,609 --> 00:44:29,220
forget about it like this I said no no

1096
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:30,619
Craig

1097
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,859
no no no no no forget I said anything I

1098
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:36,180
don't want to talk

1099
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,740
and uh you can tell he's a very

1100
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:39,660
pragmatic nuts and bolts kind of guy you

1101
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:40,859
know

1102
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:43,800
I said Trey please like come on

1103
00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:45,960
I'm investigating this phenomenon I

1104
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,609
God a son of a man it said

1105
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:54,240
something to me

1106
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:58,619
wow and he was so reluctant to share

1107
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,619
that aspect of it that he just knew he

1108
00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:04,140
was gonna sound like a wacko and he knew

1109
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,119
it he didn't because I believed him I'd

1110
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,640
heard that many times and uh we we're

1111
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,020
not here to harm you or something like

1112
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,079
this we're not here to harm you and I've

1113
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:16,500
heard that so many times so many times

1114
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:19,020
and look I hear that with people not

1115
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:20,579
even having contact with the being just

1116
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:23,160
looking at a craft right and of course

1117
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,839
the being

1118
00:45:31,809 --> 00:45:27,839
um this very different than than the Rua

1119
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:31,819
case in 1996 in uh aerial School

1120
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,200
Ruiz Zimbabwe uh because under that

1121
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,540
uh in that case

1122
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,000
according to the witnesses the beans

1123
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:43,920
were in control of the situation for the

1124
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:45,780
most part right

1125
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:50,940
um and in this case into in sorry 1994

1126
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,480
um

1127
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:54,960
sorry I got the dates wrong 94 was Rua

1128
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,440
96 was Virginia and in the 96 case in

1129
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,599
Virginia the beans were cowering they

1130
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,000
were afraid they were vulnerable they

1131
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:05,220
were weak and feeble

1132
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:07,500
um non-threatening and they communicated

1133
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:08,940
telepathically according to the

1134
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:16,250
they want to help they wanted help yeah

1135
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,780
and one did help oh wow

1136
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,940
wow

1137
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:22,800
I I got the feeling that they knew they

1138
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,520
were being hunted down by the military

1139
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,579
those two beings yes

1140
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:31,920
I'm actually my next question is about

1141
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:35,880
that uh and so I'm gonna this is an

1142
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:39,020
opportune time to ask you uh let me see

1143
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:42,300
basically it's regarding liliani and and

1144
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:46,200
Katya and and you you ask them

1145
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:47,819
you asked them if the creature

1146
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,700
communicated with him telepathically why

1147
00:46:57,069 --> 00:46:52,500
did you ask that question

1148
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:01,569
I want to be put

1149
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:04,550
in that even though you know that that

1150
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,599
moment of contact

1151
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,520
was so brief

1152
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,680
but time slows down you have a car

1153
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:12,660
accident you have an encounter with a

1154
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:16,020
strange being whatever time slows down

1155
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:17,880
and a lot can take place in a short

1156
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,140
period of time

1157
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,020
and so I remember standing in the field

1158
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:25,319
with Katya and valkyria and her sister

1159
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:29,280
uh liliani and saying

1160
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:32,040
during that moment when you made eye

1161
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,500
contact with this beam

1162
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:36,720
during that moment of contact and that's

1163
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,700
why thank you thank you let's get The

1164
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,319
Branding in there James let's go man

1165
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,240
during that moment of contact and then

1166
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,400
in the field I said to myself I like

1167
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:45,599
that title I'll think about that one

1168
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:47,339
later but I said during that moment of

1169
00:47:52,809 --> 00:47:50,520
contact put me there as an audience I

1170
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:52,819
want to be there what did you feel

1171
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:56,099
you know what I mean yes I know slow

1172
00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:59,220
down for me and just tell me describing

1173
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,460
every millisecond of what it was like

1174
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:04,680
because I want to be there I want to

1175
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:07,800
know you know and that's what she said

1176
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,260
she's like you know I'm scared

1177
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,960
I need you know help me

1178
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:15,180
and that kind of thing it was feeble it

1179
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:16,260
was not threatening I mean the only

1180
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,599
thing it did was

1181
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:20,520
it was probably the other side but it

1182
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:21,900
was slouched down with its hands between

1183
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:25,800
its its legs slouched down quite slow by

1184
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:27,420
the cinder block wall that had some

1185
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:30,119
graffiti on it and when the girls yelled

1186
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,150
oh

1187
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:40,740
and that's when the Two Sisters valkyria

1188
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:45,000
who's 14 liliani who's 16 ran out of

1189
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:49,140
there they left Katya Allah who was

1190
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:51,060
Frozen in her tracks and Katya was 21

1191
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:53,819
years old and Katya is about eight to

1192
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:55,260
ten feet away from this creature at

1193
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,700
three o'clock in the afternoon in broad

1194
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:59,760
daylight locking eyes on this thing for

1195
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:01,260
several moments

1196
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,740
and liliani who's 16 who's grabbing her

1197
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,380
younger sister valkyria gets about 100

1198
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:11,329
feet away or so she realizes

1199
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,030
I left we left Katya

1200
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,680
so she runs back and she grabbed the

1201
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,720
cocktail and pulls her out of there too

1202
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,119
and uh and that's when you know I said

1203
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:22,800
to Katya like you know what did you feel

1204
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,660
that's what she said

1205
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:27,119
I got the feeling this thing was yeah it

1206
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:28,200
it

1207
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:31,500
I'm scared I'm you know I need help

1208
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:32,900
yeah

1209
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,319
I have no idea what are the additional

1210
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,119
communicate could you imagine you

1211
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:40,800
remember the movie E.T

1212
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,910
yeah well I mean what would have

1213
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:49,500
happened if they'd stuck around you know

1214
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,180
stood around a little you know and stuck

1215
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,280
around in like you know brought this

1216
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:55,920
thing in took it back home yeah yeah and

1217
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,099
put in the closet I who the heck knows

1218
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,220
man that's just a crazy story most of

1219
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:05,160
the time when I ask UFO experiences to

1220
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:09,180
put me there they're unable to in at

1221
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,680
least in my mind for you they may be

1222
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,839
able to and for Nathan and Deb they may

1223
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:14,640
be able to put you there so you can feel

1224
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:17,640
it I'm unable to feel what they feel

1225
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:21,060
much as I want to when I hear Bigfoot

1226
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,640
first person encounters that happen in

1227
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:26,400
the forest I do feel like I'm able to

1228
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:29,460
connect with that and that could be just

1229
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:31,740
because of the nature of dealing with

1230
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,440
someone who's aboard a craft in front of

1231
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:36,960
a group of beings

1232
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,220
um maybe they're controlling your

1233
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,839
thoughts maybe they're making you forget

1234
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,480
things and the person is not able to

1235
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:44,940
convey to you accurately how they felt

1236
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:47,400
where is people who interact with

1237
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,460
Bigfoot it's a lot more what's the word

1238
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:52,380
I'm looking for Nathan it's a lot more

1239
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:54,260
visceral

1240
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:58,020
so anyway just just FYI I want to ask

1241
00:51:02,329 --> 00:50:59,700
you a tangential question that before I

1242
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,339
pass it on let me say one more thing if

1243
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:04,680
I may while we're on that topic

1244
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,549
we were interviewing military X and I'll

1245
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:12,420
remind your audience military X is the

1246
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:14,339
gentleman who allegedly drove this Bean

1247
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:15,359
Around

1248
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,280
it started off he went from a

1249
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:21,680
humanitas hospital in downtown Virginia

1250
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:26,040
to as a military base as a military for

1251
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,480
the for the night and then from as a

1252
00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:29,760
military base to a place called sex in

1253
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:32,579
Campinas and that's where the Americans

1254
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:36,000
came in on the 22nd of January but but

1255
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:38,220
during the time when he went when he

1256
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,359
walked in

1257
00:51:44,410 --> 00:51:40,880
to the hospital

1258
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,420
humanitas hospital to uh on a mission to

1259
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:47,760
retrieve this creature

1260
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:49,380
he walked in the room and he saw this

1261
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:51,180
thing part of it on the table in a

1262
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,440
little box and I said okay hold on slow

1263
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,480
it down here

1264
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,520
I want you

1265
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:01,800
to put me

1266
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:04,559
in that hospital room

1267
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:07,020
slow everything down what were the I

1268
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:08,280
always close my eyes when I do this

1269
00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:11,400
because I really focus I want I want to

1270
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,839
know what the Expressions were on the

1271
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:14,400
other people's faces what were other

1272
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,740
people doing what was the mood like what

1273
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:18,960
was the atmosphere like put me in that

1274
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:20,280
room

1275
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:22,260
I always ask them because I want to be

1276
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:25,020
there you know and boy was that an

1277
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,440
intense moment for me and it translates

1278
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,200
well in the film but you can he's just

1279
00:52:35,809 --> 00:52:33,359
talking about like everyone was everyone

1280
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:35,819
was freaked out frightened in the level

1281
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,599
of unknown and not what to do and yeah

1282
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,280
man he's

1283
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,559
pretty crazy and you know and and you

1284
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,500
you think like you know us as

1285
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:49,020
researchers as people that have a a a a

1286
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:51,960
a a a heavy interest in this in this

1287
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,859
topic

1288
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,480
what a

1289
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:56,520
blessing it would be to have that level

1290
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:58,440
of confirmation to be able to see you

1291
00:53:01,849 --> 00:53:00,599
know a creature an alien an E.T whatever

1292
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:01,859
you want to call it

1293
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,280
but he opened up about

1294
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:07,440
the effect that it had on his life and

1295
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,180
it's pretty much like almost ruined his

1296
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:11,280
life I wish he'd never really had this

1297
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:14,220
experience and that that burden having

1298
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,440
to shoulder that burden for 26 years and

1299
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,440
possibly longer you know not telling

1300
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:22,800
your wife your family members I mean

1301
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:25,619
he had a cousin when we showed up to

1302
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,940
interview him that was there who's

1303
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:28,500
present first I didn't know who he was

1304
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:31,020
got a big young guy and it you know

1305
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,520
seemed a little intimidating but then he

1306
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,559
was just turned out to be his cousin and

1307
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,359
uh his cousin didn't even know never

1308
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:38,640
knew that he'd had this experience it's

1309
00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:41,579
like I didn't tell hardly anyone

1310
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:43,559
so anyway that was a little tangent I

1311
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,800
just had to take wow no along this same

1312
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:49,440
line uh because it while we're here we

1313
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,940
might as well get to it

1314
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,280
you talked about the smell you talked

1315
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,740
about uh the skin color I think you even

1316
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,160
suggested in the film that the the

1317
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:01,920
intense heat and humidity because in

1318
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:05,280
January it's the summer time in Brazil

1319
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:08,280
um do you what do you attribute that to

1320
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:10,980
do you attribute that that the the this

1321
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:13,559
being was not acclimatized and that

1322
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,020
would not be its normal state of being

1323
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,240
that maybe that that the smell of the

1324
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:20,640
ammonia Etc had something to do with

1325
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:23,940
what uh it was experiencing biologically

1326
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:31,549
uh and I and I didn't even attempt to

1327
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:34,380
know and then I had a government Insider

1328
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,740
watch this and he said to me

1329
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,319
that you know when skunks are frightened

1330
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:43,440
and they put out that scent as a way of

1331
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,380
a deterrent a way of protection he said

1332
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:48,420
that they had felt that that was

1333
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:50,579
something similar with with these with

1334
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:52,020
these beings now whether I believe that

1335
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,359
or not I simply don't know

1336
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,880
um but these beings according to all the

1337
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,520
witnesses every single witness had very

1338
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:01,380
oily skin almost like you can imagine

1339
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,200
like if you had an organ like a liver or

1340
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,200
a kidney and you made the whole skin out

1341
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,540
of that kind of texture and and wetness

1342
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:11,700
you know

1343
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:16,260
spindly arms spindly legs weak brown big

1344
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:17,640
red eyes

1345
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:21,480
and these like three nobody could quite

1346
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,300
describe what they were like ridges they

1347
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:25,920
were not horns but they were like ridges

1348
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,020
three of them what what there was one

1349
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,720
here one here and then one sort of here

1350
00:55:35,089 --> 00:55:32,640
like a bicycle helmet kind of a thing

1351
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:35,099
yeah slits for mouths and barely

1352
00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:37,140
anything for a nose

1353
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:39,480
anyway this again this is just what the

1354
00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:41,819
what what the witness described I wasn't

1355
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:43,700
there I didn't see it so I don't know

1356
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,280
yeah someday you might uh you may see it

1357
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:49,980
you may see those photos Debs

1358
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,859
yeah so I wanted to get to something

1359
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:54,900
that a lot of people are interested in

1360
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:56,940
and that we have a question from the

1361
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:59,940
audience about so when I read lear's

1362
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,579
book about this crash in Brazil he

1363
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,920
mentioned the footage in his book The

1364
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:07,440
footage has been um foremost on a lot of

1365
00:56:11,089 --> 00:56:09,300
people's minds lately and we have a

1366
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:11,099
question from the audience

1367
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,740
from Mike I'm going to say this wrong

1368
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:17,280
I'm so sorry Aqua Viva I believe if

1369
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,220
James had let's say the footage of the

1370
00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:23,280
Virginia alien or any other great

1371
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:25,619
footage how would he want to release it

1372
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,380
a Twitter post going to the media first

1373
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,260
how calculated would it be in other

1374
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,880
words how are we going to get it from

1375
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,319
you James how are we going to see it

1376
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:36,079
when it comes out

1377
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:37,800
so

1378
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:38,579
um

1379
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:40,740
I can neither confirm nor deny no

1380
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:46,190
um we

1381
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,260
uh have been zeroing in on

1382
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,319
photographic evidence that we that we've

1383
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:54,780
been made aware of

1384
00:57:02,030 --> 00:56:58,740
the last uh a couple of years uh we've

1385
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:02,040
gotten uh extremely close

1386
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:03,900
I'm trying to reveal as much as I can

1387
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:06,839
without jeopardizing our contacts

1388
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:07,500
um

1389
00:57:15,309 --> 00:57:12,960
we have a very large uh cash offer uh

1390
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:15,319
reward for it

1391
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:19,319
we've had a response from one person

1392
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,900
uh

1393
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:24,720
saying it's too dangerous

1394
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:27,260
uh

1395
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,660
we we've had a kind of a not at this

1396
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:32,280
moment not at this time from someone

1397
00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:36,540
else but we have some a new lead

1398
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:39,059
none of these people came to us we found

1399
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:40,740
them

1400
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:46,980
that we interviewed saw

1401
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:48,660
the footage

1402
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:52,079
so we know and there was just no reason

1403
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:53,640
for these people to lie we don't we we

1404
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:55,559
tracked them down

1405
00:58:02,270 --> 00:57:59,760
um I had been in touch with some

1406
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:02,280
high level uh

1407
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,859
uh Publications

1408
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:07,200
uh editors just in the last couple of

1409
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:08,480
days

1410
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,619
and they are like

1411
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,920
you need to uh if you do secure this

1412
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,480
footage you need to talk with us about

1413
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:18,119
strategizing on how to release it so I

1414
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:19,980
promised them that that we would do that

1415
00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:22,740
and how to go about doing that is you

1416
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:24,660
know it's it's it's an ongoing

1417
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,619
developing story uh there are new people

1418
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:31,440
that were reluctant to participate in

1419
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,960
the past that have direct access that

1420
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,240
are now on board and so I'm feeling

1421
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:37,920
quite optimistic that something's going

1422
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:40,140
to come out of it but I'm holding my

1423
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:41,339
breath

1424
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:45,660
just like

1425
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,980
you know

1426
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:49,140
if there's any if if any of you out

1427
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:50,460
there think that there's no there's

1428
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,260
anyone that wants it more than me then

1429
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:54,960
please reconsider that I just want to

1430
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,200
say Deb wants it more than you

1431
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,240
I I have to say that with with something

1432
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,160
like this it's just so great to see the

1433
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,200
validation was already there because

1434
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:06,599
lyric saw it or not sorry but heard

1435
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:09,480
about it back then you know so it's like

1436
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,579
so nice that it's like the parallel is

1437
00:59:15,549 --> 00:59:13,520
there

1438
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:15,559
because

1439
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:17,819
we're friends now I just want to let you

1440
00:59:22,190 --> 00:59:20,700
know cash offers notwithstanding I want

1441
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,200
you to let these people know in Brazil

1442
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,240
that the Lou Malnati's pizza the deep

1443
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,000
dish pie is from from Chicago you can

1444
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,240
Airship those in dry ice to Brazil

1445
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:33,119
and if that could just get us over the

1446
00:59:38,589 --> 00:59:35,160
goal line

1447
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:38,599
whatever it takes yes right I mean

1448
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:41,400
whatever it takes wouldn't you like a

1449
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,099
Lou Malnati's pizza Nathan come on man I

1450
00:59:50,049 --> 00:59:46,260
mean it sounds delicious yeah you guys

1451
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:50,059
can imagine the the eyewitnesses how how

1452
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:53,160
scared they were to come forward now

1453
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,900
imagine an eyewitness with physical

1454
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,359
evidence because that's the Holy Grail

1455
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:59,040
right obviously look they're going to be

1456
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,500
people out there that say you know no

1457
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,880
matter what it is no matter what piece

1458
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:04,079
of evidence it is whether it's

1459
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,940
photographic or videotape or film or

1460
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,440
whatever

1461
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:09,359
um I'm just not gonna believe it it was

1462
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,700
it was clearly done in some kind of uh

1463
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:13,440
special effects house or and you know

1464
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:16,920
and I I get that now

1465
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:21,180
our number one objective would be for

1466
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:24,780
someone to not anonymously in the

1467
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,839
Brazilian military to come forward with

1468
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,520
this evidence and their name and their

1469
01:00:34,370 --> 01:00:31,980
face on it and all the background

1470
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:34,380
credentials yada yada that would be

1471
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,180
great the government coming out with it

1472
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:37,920
that'd be great do I expect that to

1473
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,140
happen probably not

1474
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:43,140
could it happen maybe you know if the

1475
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,760
Brazilians come out with it that's going

1476
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:46,799
to reveal the Americans involved with it

1477
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:48,119
maybe the Americans don't you know what

1478
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:50,760
I mean like who knows or maybe you know

1479
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:53,460
that when it flew from allegedly when it

1480
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,260
flew from Campinas out to the United

1481
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:57,420
States I'm sure there were cameras on

1482
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:58,740
board that flight

1483
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:01,760
you know was it alive still was it dead

1484
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:08,569
you know was it alive when military X

1485
01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:12,359
saw it absolutely oh oh in the operating

1486
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:13,619
room but I was thinking of I was

1487
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:15,000
thinking of I was thinking of the

1488
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:17,940
military police officer Marco teresi who

1489
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:20,579
captured it with his bare hands uh was

1490
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:22,020
obviously definitely alive then it

1491
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:23,700
didn't put up much of a fight apparently

1492
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:27,119
uh was quite feeble and he got that

1493
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:29,640
scratched I think right right here on

1494
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:32,099
his shoulder and he got an infection and

1495
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:33,240
within a few weeks he was in the

1496
01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:34,500
emergency room and

1497
01:01:37,789 --> 01:01:36,359
the doctor threw the kitchen sink at him

1498
01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:37,799
he was 23 years old perfectly young

1499
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,260
healthy guy and his immune system just

1500
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,720
completely failed and he died he said

1501
01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:44,160
he'd never seen anything like it in 25

1502
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:52,549
yeah incredible it was really it's

1503
01:01:57,049 --> 01:01:55,140
really it's really disturbing Deb is

1504
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:57,059
talking about in the chat here we were

1505
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:58,619
talking about what piece if you could

1506
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:00,059
have a piece of footage that you're

1507
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:02,220
aware of would it be the Gordo Cooper

1508
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,500
footage Deb says would it be the footage

1509
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,480
from Holloman Air Force Base where

1510
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,220
apparently it landed on the end of

1511
01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:11,280
Runway would it be Roswell footage what

1512
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:12,839
what would that

1513
01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:16,380
Holy Grail footage footage now it would

1514
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:18,540
be the I would like the Virginia footage

1515
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:21,420
but but honestly I I was investigating

1516
01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:24,420
Sakura New Mexico case in 64. I wasn't

1517
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:27,420
investigating in 64. the 64 case in

1518
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,400
Socorro New Mexico with officer Lonnie

1519
01:02:32,809 --> 01:02:31,680
Zamora and just a stone's throw from

1520
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,819
there that's a close encounter of the

1521
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:35,040
Third Kind and that's a case that turned

1522
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:39,180
that caused Dr Jalen heinek to do a 180.

1523
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:41,460
um and so just a stone's throw from

1524
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,380
there I came across some articles from a

1525
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:46,079
woman named Corral Lorenzen coral Coral

1526
01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:49,260
Lorenzen uh I think it was apro

1527
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:52,440
and uh Ray Stanford had them in his

1528
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:55,980
archive and I was reading these

1529
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:57,780
quite compelling

1530
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:00,660
accounts of a landing at Holloman and I

1531
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:02,940
thought well as unbelievable as that

1532
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:05,839
sounds I'm I believe a landing happened

1533
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:08,880
at the Socorro which is right nearby

1534
01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:12,240
right so you know as the crow flies uh

1535
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:13,500
why not

1536
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:15,000
and then for them then I started hearing

1537
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:18,119
about you know footage of of of of of

1538
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:20,040
the landing that took that was recorded

1539
01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:23,339
at Holloman and then I found that

1540
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:25,559
documentary uh

1541
01:03:31,609 --> 01:03:28,440
UFOs past present or future by Alan

1542
01:03:34,609 --> 01:03:31,619
Sandler and and Bob evanager I met with

1543
01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:34,619
both of them one of which gave me a

1544
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,140
thorough and exhausted exhaustive uh

1545
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:39,420
interview on camera that was emanager I

1546
01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:41,640
interviewed Colonel Coleman who was in

1547
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:43,079
charge at the time during production of

1548
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:45,420
that film in the early 70s and then I

1549
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:48,540
went to the house of Alan Sandler and I

1550
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,839
saw archival interview of Paul sharl who

1551
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:53,640
was the archive guy I think at the Air

1552
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,040
Force Base at Hallman I'm uh not

1553
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:57,839
Holloman but he he processed all the

1554
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,220
film footage became different Air Force

1555
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:00,480
Base I think it was in Norton in

1556
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:01,980
California but in any case interesting

1557
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:04,140
he saw the film footage he processed it

1558
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,540
and he showed it to Alan Sandler and I

1559
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,700
said and Alan suddenly comes out with

1560
01:04:14,089 --> 01:04:10,559
this after we've been in touch for

1561
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:14,099
months and I was driving my car and as I

1562
01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:17,640
do I said excuse me you what he's like

1563
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,500
oh yeah I was showing that footage you

1564
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,839
hold on a second what hold the car over

1565
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:23,280
the side of the road

1566
01:04:29,450 --> 01:04:26,520
I said okay hold on a second

1567
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,460
Alan you're telling me that you were

1568
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,400
shown the footage of a landing at

1569
01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:34,079
Holloman Air Force Base

1570
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,640
yes I was

1571
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:37,500
and I said all right and I closed my

1572
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:40,079
eyes as I do and I said you tell me and

1573
01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:41,400
he said well

1574
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:44,579
he said uh and he he didn't know what it

1575
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:46,680
was he was like could have been like a

1576
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,900
like one of our own

1577
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:51,420
he was like this is what I saw

1578
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:53,700
I don't think it was E.T but I went out

1579
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,900
you know

1580
01:04:59,030 --> 01:04:56,880
he said that this film footage showed

1581
01:05:02,270 --> 01:04:59,040
three

1582
01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,280
discs disc shaped craft coming on the

1583
01:05:06,349 --> 01:05:04,980
distance and they were uh escorted by

1584
01:05:08,569 --> 01:05:06,359
military jets

1585
01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:08,579
and then two kind of peeled away and

1586
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:11,579
then one came down and it wobbled down

1587
01:05:15,789 --> 01:05:14,099
onto the tarmac of the base he said just

1588
01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:15,799
like a

1589
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:19,799
kind of falling and it landed he said

1590
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,440
you know just like in the Sci-Fi movies

1591
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:25,200
it was like three pods your Landing pods

1592
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:27,540
came out and he said this door like this

1593
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,400
seamless door like there wasn't a seam

1594
01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:31,920
just opened up and dropped down this is

1595
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:32,700
what

1596
01:05:37,569 --> 01:05:35,640
Alan Sandler told me

1597
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:37,579
amazing uh

1598
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:40,140
yeah it was Alexander yeah sorry the

1599
01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:41,819
other producer of the show and he said

1600
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:44,220
they got these these

1601
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:45,780
beans I think they said they had

1602
01:05:49,609 --> 01:05:47,400
vertical slits

1603
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,619
and they had tight fitting suits on and

1604
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,599
some big thing that looked like maybe it

1605
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:53,520
was a translator he didn't know he

1606
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,020
thought it was like maybe a staged event

1607
01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:57,359
from the from Hollywood or something and

1608
01:06:01,010 --> 01:05:59,640
it was one of our own flying saucers but

1609
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:01,020
he saw that footage and he said that

1610
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:04,200
Paul shuttle showed him that footage and

1611
01:06:06,609 --> 01:06:05,220
um yeah

1612
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:06,619
that's

1613
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,680
crazy yeah absolutely

1614
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:12,960
so what happened was Paul Shartel had

1615
01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,380
gotten a call from from Colonel William

1616
01:06:22,609 --> 01:06:18,839
T Coleman who I interviewed and William

1617
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:22,619
T Coleman had brought you know uh Alan

1618
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:25,380
Sandler and and Bob ebenegger's to his

1619
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,819
attention he said look these two guys

1620
01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:28,319
are making a film

1621
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,660
you know cooperate with them show around

1622
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:32,760
the base blah blah blah he's like well

1623
01:06:36,109 --> 01:06:34,500
I'll show him this you know any and I

1624
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:36,119
guess Bob wasn't there that day Bob

1625
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:37,980
ebenegger who has since deceased

1626
01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:39,180
unfortunately

1627
01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:41,339
and um

1628
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,380
uh showed him the footage of the next

1629
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:45,240
day I guess word got out that he'd shown

1630
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:46,680
that footage and they were both

1631
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:48,539
debriefed and then Alan didn't mention a

1632
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:50,760
word about it for over 40 years 45 years

1633
01:06:55,609 --> 01:06:53,400
but Alan did tell Bob evaneger because I

1634
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:55,619
was there when he did it yeah I did I

1635
01:06:59,569 --> 01:06:58,140
did see that footage yeah and Bob

1636
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,579
everything there felt that it was it was

1637
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:02,160
a VT origin and and Alan didn't really

1638
01:07:05,089 --> 01:07:03,599
know and he thought that maybe it was a

1639
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:05,099
stage Hollywood event he just didn't

1640
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,660
know

1641
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:09,359
this is the what we thirst for and

1642
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:11,220
nothing else will quench us our thirst

1643
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:12,839
Nathan

1644
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:15,180
yeah I wanted to my last question

1645
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:16,680
um and James thank you so much again for

1646
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:18,359
joining us this evening

1647
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,180
um we've heard some stories from

1648
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:24,960
other filmmakers so Bryce Sable and uh

1649
01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:27,720
also we interviewed TJ Allard who is um

1650
01:07:31,309 --> 01:07:29,700
executive producer on the skin secret

1651
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:31,319
skin Whopper Ranch

1652
01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:36,240
and uh they have both indicated to the

1653
01:07:42,529 --> 01:07:38,339
community that at times during

1654
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:42,539
production they were

1655
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,940
they had a meeting from someone that

1656
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:47,280
seemed to have knowledge of their

1657
01:07:55,309 --> 01:07:52,980
production of their uh project that just

1658
01:07:56,930 --> 01:07:55,319
didn't they could understand how they

1659
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:56,940
had the knowledge that they had they

1660
01:08:01,130 --> 01:07:59,160
were approached by someone and I was

1661
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:01,140
just curious and your experience and and

1662
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,640
the projects that you've worked on have

1663
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:04,559
you ever been approached by anyone that

1664
01:08:09,289 --> 01:08:07,200
has had some you know odd knowledge

1665
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:09,299
about what you're working on or you know

1666
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:11,099
has influenced the direction that you

1667
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,079
may have taken on a project anything

1668
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,720
strange out of the ordinary like that

1669
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:18,420
no I've I've been spooked

1670
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,819
uh three times

1671
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:23,520
and it could have been my imagination I

1672
01:08:26,329 --> 01:08:24,839
don't think so I have a pretty good

1673
01:08:30,169 --> 01:08:26,339
little inner voice but I don't maybe

1674
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:30,179
maybe it was uh one time when I was uh

1675
01:08:36,430 --> 01:08:32,160
trying to get a guy named Ricky Sorrels

1676
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:36,440
on camera who was a witness to the uh

1677
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,940
2008 late 2008 Stephenville Texas case

1678
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:43,920
and he was a deer hunter that was

1679
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,500
underneath what he described as an

1680
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:48,239
object so large that he couldn't see the

1681
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:49,679
edge in any direction you could have

1682
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:51,900
landed an airplane on it and he held up

1683
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:53,640
his rifle and he looked through the

1684
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:55,140
scope and he contemplated pulling the

1685
01:08:58,669 --> 01:08:56,520
trigger and seeing that that bullet

1686
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:58,679
would bounce off the side of this thing

1687
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,620
he said you know I determined right

1688
01:09:05,570 --> 01:09:03,660
there in the forest alone that maybe

1689
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:05,580
this wouldn't be such a good idea

1690
01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:08,460
so he didn't pull the trigger wow but in

1691
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:09,660
any case he was telling me about the

1692
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,859
story and he said I'm not going on

1693
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:12,480
camera I'm not participating don't get

1694
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:14,699
my name on anything the military were

1695
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:16,500
flying their helicopters over his house

1696
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:18,359
he would run out and you know in the

1697
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,679
middle of the night he's got a couple of

1698
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:22,799
daughters a couple kids and uh he'd run

1699
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:24,540
out and he said his in his undershorts

1700
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,160
in his shotgun and point the thing in

1701
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,839
the air helicopter was lighting him up

1702
01:09:32,150 --> 01:09:30,060
like daylight and I think either he

1703
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:32,160
called the base or they called him

1704
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,440
and uh stop Flying your helicopters over

1705
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:36,719
my house and my property and they said

1706
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:38,580
it's not your property it's our airspace

1707
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,620
we'll do what the hell we like I suggest

1708
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:42,719
you stop talking about what you saw so

1709
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,460
this is what he was telling me not on

1710
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:46,440
camera but he was like I'm not going on

1711
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:48,540
camera I will not go on camera but if

1712
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:49,679
you want to know what's going on this is

1713
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:50,819
what's going on and while I was out

1714
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,440
there talking with him

1715
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:54,719
uh like a FedEx truck or like one of

1716
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,760
these delivery trucks pulled in and he

1717
01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:58,440
lived off the beaten path on a ranch

1718
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,600
like Mama you don't just accidentally

1719
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,880
drive down this guy's driveway we both

1720
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:04,080
looked at each other and the whole film

1721
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:06,060
crew and she was like well that's odd

1722
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:07,800
you know and the guy kind of pulls in

1723
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:10,260
looks at us turns around and pulls out

1724
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:11,040
again

1725
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:14,460
and um and that night in our hotel room

1726
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:17,160
the sound guy the camera guy production

1727
01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:20,580
assistant myself all were like I feel

1728
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,679
really spooked here I don't know we need

1729
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:24,480
to you know I don't know somebody's

1730
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:26,040
watching you know it's just it was just

1731
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:28,860
spooky right so that was one

1732
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:31,080
two I got an email when I was doing the

1733
01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:32,940
national Press Club event with Leslie

1734
01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:35,400
Kane uh when I flew we flew in 14

1735
01:10:39,229 --> 01:10:37,380
military and government officials from

1736
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:39,239
seven countries we made that film I know

1737
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,739
what I saw

1738
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:42,540
and I got an email that said stop doing

1739
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:44,040
what you're doing we'll put you to Z and

1740
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:46,140
had the big Z and a smaller Z's and

1741
01:10:49,850 --> 01:10:48,300
smaller yeah it was a little spooky but

1742
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,860
whatever could have been some random

1743
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,960
freak and then the other one was when

1744
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,420
Eric Lopes threatened to shoot us in the

1745
01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:57,000
face uh the witness it was apparently

1746
01:11:00,830 --> 01:10:58,199
driving the car during the second

1747
01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:00,840
capture with Marco teresi

1748
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,820
um that was a little spooky because I'd

1749
01:11:07,149 --> 01:11:04,080
never been threatened to be shot in the

1750
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:07,159
face before on camera and then

1751
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,020
paralleling that the people that we had

1752
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,960
just met with or about to meet with uh

1753
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:14,640
were getting phone calls from as a

1754
01:11:19,970 --> 01:11:17,100
military base and creepy phone calls

1755
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,980
like hey how you doing so and so

1756
01:11:25,450 --> 01:11:22,320
you still living out at uh this address

1757
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,460
um good good good he has the family

1758
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:27,840
great great yeah we're happy to hear

1759
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:28,980
that

1760
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,199
um yeah there's an American documentary

1761
01:11:36,290 --> 01:11:33,360
film crew apparently um

1762
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,300
yeah they reach out to you at all have

1763
01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:38,640
you have you talked to them or yeah okay

1764
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:41,340
well listen I hope you're doing well and

1765
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:42,780
I hope your family wish your family well

1766
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:46,140
and um and like that they called us so

1767
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,420
spooked so I'm thinking okay so

1768
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:49,920
now the military base is calling the

1769
01:11:52,669 --> 01:11:51,420
people that I either just met with or

1770
01:11:54,130 --> 01:11:52,679
that I was about to meet with the next

1771
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:54,140
day spooking the out of them

1772
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:56,520
looking you know they've got Eric Lopes

1773
01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:58,440
threatening to shoot us he clearly

1774
01:12:01,610 --> 01:12:00,420
doesn't want to talk and I was like you

1775
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,620
know what it's time to get the hell out

1776
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:03,840
of here I just felt like

1777
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:05,580
spooked now

1778
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:07,140
I wouldn't call that necessarily

1779
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:08,640
paranoia

1780
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,580
I was legitimately spooked but did

1781
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:13,440
anybody threaten me directly did I see

1782
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:15,000
any unmarked Vehicles follow me around

1783
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:16,440
no I didn't

1784
01:12:19,790 --> 01:12:17,340
um

1785
01:12:21,169 --> 01:12:19,800
that was it yeah that's that's the one

1786
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:21,179
instance I think I might have done

1787
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:22,620
better than James because Lopez might

1788
01:12:27,649 --> 01:12:25,020
have said I feel bad the the guys

1789
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:27,659
have no hair I'm not going to shoot him

1790
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,400
the other guy's a better look in his

1791
01:12:35,470 --> 01:12:31,679
little cash shoot to that guy oh I

1792
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:35,480
thought I lost my little friend

1793
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:38,699
open up on you that's the last question

1794
01:12:42,910 --> 01:12:40,440
my friend

1795
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:42,920
say hello to my little friend

1796
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:46,199
what a great Al Pacino come on man if

1797
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:47,880
not we're gonna have you doing lines

1798
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:49,560
from heat we're going to have you doing

1799
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:51,540
lines from Scent of a Woman I mean

1800
01:12:55,570 --> 01:12:53,940
you're gonna get right into a hole here

1801
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:55,580
so go ahead

1802
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:00,360
go ahead okay so I'm gonna play a little

1803
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:03,540
bit of a cynic here since you are very

1804
01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:06,120
familiar with the older footage and have

1805
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,940
been doing this for a while and you know

1806
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:10,800
about what happened to people like

1807
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:13,380
Keyhole and some of the people that have

1808
01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:16,739
been uh doing this for some time do you

1809
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,080
ever get the feeling that history is uh

1810
01:13:23,810 --> 01:13:21,120
repeating itself or do you think we're

1811
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:23,820
we're finally turned the page and it's

1812
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:27,179
because of the legislation and the

1813
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:29,400
reports that are coming out and the fact

1814
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,260
that people are being more receptive and

1815
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:33,120
the mainstream media is paying attention

1816
01:13:38,030 --> 01:13:36,540
do you think we finally turned a page I

1817
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:38,040
said would you sing Turn the Page from

1818
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:39,900
Bob Seger while you're answering this

1819
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:42,960
question please yeah okay I know I

1820
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,679
foreign

1821
01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:46,020
I said it earlier in the show

1822
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:47,580
you can't put the genie back in the

1823
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:48,780
bottle

1824
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:50,040
so

1825
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:51,719
they've

1826
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,320
admitted that the phenomenon is real

1827
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,600
they have

1828
01:14:01,610 --> 01:13:59,760
pretty much ruled out they didn't

1829
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,620
entirely rule out but pretty much ruled

1830
01:14:05,570 --> 01:14:04,080
out Russia or China

1831
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,580
they have this little bracket other

1832
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,920
right and now they're talking a little

1833
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,360
bit about you know they were last year

1834
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,239
in late 2020 they were talking about

1835
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:14,000
um

1836
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:18,120
recovered debris and potential bodies

1837
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:21,540
which I was just shocked to hear

1838
01:14:27,709 --> 01:14:23,940
in mainstream it was in New Yorker the

1839
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:27,719
New York Times uh Fox News

1840
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:30,239
um so uh

1841
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:34,260
I think we have turned a Paige and um I

1842
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:37,800
think it's time now you know I kind of

1843
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:39,480
wanted to like

1844
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,600
relax a little bit and enjoy the fruits

1845
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:44,880
of my little success with the phenomenon

1846
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:46,860
but then I realized it's time to turn

1847
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:49,260
the heat up and keep the pressure on so

1848
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:51,300
I dove right back in again

1849
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,140
and um and now I'm already diving back

1850
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:57,360
in just before this call I was on the

1851
01:15:02,209 --> 01:14:59,880
call with new uh producers that I'm

1852
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:02,219
going to start my next film and and

1853
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,020
probably start shooting as early as the

1854
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,689
and I'm exhausted

1855
01:15:10,699 --> 01:15:14,149
I love you

1856
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,430
we'll we'll get to this in our goodbyes

1857
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:19,199
in our goodbyes but uh which cabbie you

1858
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,400
know we always do our goodbyes

1859
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,280
individually and uh before we we finish

1860
01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:25,679
off the show but uh you're very very

1861
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:27,900
inspiring what you're doing I'm not I'm

1862
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:29,880
not saying that I mean like you're

1863
01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:32,280
really really a regular guy and you sort

1864
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,140
of remind me of TJ Allard in a way

1865
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:36,480
because he's from Buffalo he still lives

1866
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:38,580
in Buffalo even though he is executive

1867
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,860
producer of a television program and he

1868
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,239
comes on here he's just like a regular

1869
01:15:48,050 --> 01:15:44,760
guy like yourself and and uh you guys

1870
01:15:50,510 --> 01:15:48,060
are are pushing it you specifically are

1871
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:50,520
really really pushing it in the face of

1872
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:53,880
of of possible potential scoring and

1873
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,980
scrutiny and you're you're driving

1874
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:58,800
forward and that that really inspires

1875
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:01,260
the community in my opinion but I do

1876
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:04,440
actually have one more question for you

1877
01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:06,600
um thank you for that by the way it's I

1878
01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:08,280
appreciate it sometimes it feels kind of

1879
01:16:13,370 --> 01:16:11,640
lonely out here no we're with you you

1880
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:13,380
said you're you're fi you're not alone

1881
01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:15,900
we're we're with you people in the

1882
01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:17,460
community always hear me say that and

1883
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:20,219
it's because I do believe that you know

1884
01:16:23,330 --> 01:16:22,140
we are there there's some people who

1885
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:23,340
don't really want to be part of the

1886
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:24,780
community who are always looking to tear

1887
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:27,420
people down but there's a super group of

1888
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,420
positive people here and no matter what

1889
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,699
anybody's going through uh most most

1890
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:35,280
notably your software with you

1891
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:38,040
um my question to you James my last

1892
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:41,219
question would be that if you could as a

1893
01:16:47,090 --> 01:16:44,460
as a filmmaker and somebody who who is

1894
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:47,100
able to tell this story through a little

1895
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,320
bit of artwork mixed with a whole lot of

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actual events and Truth

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um

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01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:55,860
if you could script your own UFO

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01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:59,760
experience first person encounter

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01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:01,500
um what would that entail how close

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01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:04,380
would that contact be if if James Fox

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01:17:10,189 --> 01:17:08,340
could create and and and make his own

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01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:10,199
encounter happen what would that look

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like to us

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you know funny enough I'm I'm of all the

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cases

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01:17:21,709 --> 01:17:18,780
I'm most jealous

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01:17:23,570 --> 01:17:21,719
of and somebody asked me the other night

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01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:23,580
if you could had a time capsule and you

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01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:26,580
can go back in time to anywhere I said

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April 24th five o'clock P.M 1964 Socorro

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New Mexico

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01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,640
I would just love to see that Object

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Land and those beans get out and dig

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around whatever they were doing when

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01:17:44,209 --> 01:17:42,239
Lonnie Zamora was there wouldn't that be

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cool if I could just hide behind a bush

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01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:57,590
yeah so you don't want to get close you

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01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:58,920
don't want to get up close and personal

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like in a craft

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01:18:09,470 --> 01:18:06,950
if you knew you'd come home

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01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:09,480
oh if I knew I'd come home well how

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01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:12,540
would I know that you wouldn't but you

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01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:15,060
know you're you know if you okay if you

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see you know it you know what you bring

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01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:18,840
up a good point because we really don't

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01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:21,000
know how many missing persons are

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01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,699
attributed to the phenomenon and that

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01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,440
could be uh we've talked about that

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01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:27,600
fairly recently in the show that that

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01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:29,699
could be a very very closely guarded

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secret and part of why they don't want

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01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:33,840
to approach this topic I mean if it was

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01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:35,580
happening boy that's that's kind of I

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01:18:38,930 --> 01:18:37,020
mean look maybe somebody would willingly

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01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:38,940
and voluntarily go let's get the hell

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01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:40,440
out of here I'm ready to leave Earth you

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01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:41,400
know

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01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:42,120
um

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01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:45,000
absolutely when I go if I go you know I

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01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:46,380
have an eight-year-old son now so I

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01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,659
think about him first uh another reason

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01:18:51,709 --> 01:18:50,159
why I got a little spooked when I was in

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01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:51,719
Brazil I'm not really concerned about my

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01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:54,120
own life but I have a kid now so I have

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01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:55,920
to think about him

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01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:56,760
um

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01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,850
obviously I think that'd be fascinating

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01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:04,800
I think about Travis Walton and his

1950
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:07,020
experience and again when he told me

1951
01:19:10,729 --> 01:19:09,300
because I was like I was like put me

1952
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,739
there like when you woke up and I closed

1953
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,020
my eyes at the table you know and I sat

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01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:16,080
there for very every word recreating the

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01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,580
exact experience and walking down the

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01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,679
hallway and he said he could feel his

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01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:21,360
arm his shoulders rubbing up against

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01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,880
this polished aluminum hallway that was

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01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:26,640
all smooth no seams and no rivets and

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01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,260
then going into that room and seeing the

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01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:29,760
one chair with the screen and the

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01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:33,360
control arms like wow you know so

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01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,980
amazing

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01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:36,719
but then how do you process something

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01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,340
like that when you come home how do you

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01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:39,600
share that story with anybody else

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01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:40,920
everyone's going to think you're nuts

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01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,900
like you know the effect that would have

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01:19:45,610 --> 01:19:44,159
on you for the rest of your life I mean

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01:19:48,890 --> 01:19:45,620
that level of validation the

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01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,900
confirmation I mean is it more of a

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01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:50,400
burden than anything else you have to

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01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,440
kind of ask yourself that question for

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01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:53,760
the most part most people that I know

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01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:54,780
that have had these incredible

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01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:56,760
encounters they'd kind of wish they

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01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:58,620
hadn't so

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01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,620
if I had an encounter in the perfect in

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01:20:06,169 --> 01:20:03,480
a perfect world probably and if I were

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01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:06,179
to go up in in a craft I wouldn't mind

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01:20:12,169 --> 01:20:09,120
doing it in front of like uh you know

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01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:12,179
um Macy's day parade or something and

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01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:13,800
down you know somewhere where there's

1984
01:20:16,970 --> 01:20:15,480
just tens of thousands of witnesses and

1985
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,980
cameras and then when I get back I can

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01:20:20,510 --> 01:20:18,719
really then I'll be believed and I can

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01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:20,520
really describe and it could be accepted

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01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:24,239
once and for all that's my final answer

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01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:27,480
that is that's awesome that that's I I

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01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:29,580
love the way that you evolve to that

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01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:31,140
answer because that's the way to do it

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01:20:34,669 --> 01:20:33,060
where nobody can say anything to you

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01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:34,679
when you return because it was all on

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01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:38,400
camera yeah uh my goodness Deb uh all

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01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,480
right we gotta we're gonna say our

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01:20:44,630 --> 01:20:42,000
cabbie goodbyes yep I've just wanted to

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01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,640
say thank you so much for including

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01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,800
experiencer accounts and your work

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01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:48,719
because that is so crucial right now

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01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:50,520
they've been

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01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:53,100
um lacking that validation for some time

2002
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:55,020
and you're really just doing incredible

2003
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:57,000
work we're so impressed with everything

2004
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:58,620
that you're putting out it seems to just

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01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:00,900
get better and better please come back

2006
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:02,820
when you have the next one we can't wait

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01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:05,760
to talk to you more you're awesome and

2008
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:07,320
we have your back

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01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:14,030
yeah James the uh the artists in the

2010
01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:15,719
world really

2011
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:18,600
have an amazing capacity to give voice

2012
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,640
to The Human Experience

2013
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,080
and when we're talking about an

2014
01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:24,800
experience that isn't even quite human

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01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:29,400
uh it's so important for artists to do

2016
01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:31,620
the work that they do and

2017
01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:35,219
your art is is moving people and uh not

2018
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,560
just an emotional way where we're

2019
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,880
connecting with the story but it's

2020
01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:40,560
moving people who've had experiences

2021
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:44,460
who've been close to this issue and I

2022
01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:48,719
don't think we yet know the impact that

2023
01:21:54,110 --> 01:21:51,239
this is going to have the downstream

2024
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:54,120
effect and so again as Deb said we are

2025
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:55,679
cheering you on we're so grateful that

2026
01:21:59,149 --> 01:21:57,780
you came to speak with us and really

2027
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:59,159
look forward to what you're going to do

2028
01:22:02,689 --> 01:22:01,380
in the future so thank you thanks you

2029
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,699
guys

2030
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:05,280
as the continuation of what Nathan said

2031
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,060
someone used the word heroism in a in a

2032
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:11,760
tweet and attributed my name to it and I

2033
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:13,860
I when I think about heroism I think

2034
01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:16,440
about a lot of different because I'm

2035
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,360
from a military background I don't think

2036
01:22:23,330 --> 01:22:19,980
about people who are like me I think

2037
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:23,340
about people who are uh my friends that

2038
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:25,679
are music teachers that are out creating

2039
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:28,440
the next Keith Richards the next John

2040
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:31,560
Bonham you know the next Stevie Nicks uh

2041
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:33,719
we have uh this show actually has some

2042
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:35,820
friends like that that do that that go

2043
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:39,420
out and uh and and do that and artists

2044
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:42,120
like yourself that are doing this so I I

2045
01:22:48,169 --> 01:22:44,640
really admire people that are uh

2046
01:22:50,209 --> 01:22:48,179
filmmakers and musicians and and artists

2047
01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:50,219
and school teachers and people like that

2048
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:52,980
so you are a hero to this community

2049
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,280
because we don't um you know obviously

2050
01:23:00,830 --> 01:22:58,320
we think we're a lot larger than we are

2051
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:00,840
but the only way that we're going to get

2052
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:03,600
larger than we are is by people like you

2053
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,580
doing what you're doing because each

2054
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:07,920
time you make a film the audience gets

2055
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:10,260
broader and broader and broader so so

2056
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:13,739
that is a a a a form of inspirational

2057
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:17,580
heroism in my mind so thank you uh James

2058
01:23:25,130 --> 01:23:22,199
so much for for coming on and uh and

2059
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:25,140
sharing some of your story uh I am

2060
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:28,260
really sure that we can next time do

2061
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,420
kind of like what you did with concrete

2062
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:31,920
where we can find a little bit about

2063
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:34,380
more about what in what was a formative

2064
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:36,420
experiences in your life to bring you to

2065
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:38,219
this place so I hope you'll come back

2066
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,860
and join us thank you guys so much and

2067
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:43,199
my last question to you is how does how

2068
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,400
does my hair look it looks I'd like

2069
01:23:51,649 --> 01:23:49,920
[Laughter]

2070
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:51,659
it looks fabulous I'm really really I

2071
01:23:58,130 --> 01:23:54,840
was in the salon for hours slaved over

2072
01:23:58,140 --> 01:24:03,649
hang on

2073
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:07,130
I love it there is no better way to end

2074
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:10,800
this show than that so for depth for

2075
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,580
Nathan for James Fox this is DJ and

2076
01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:17,040
calling all beings make sure you go and

2077
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:19,620
watch a moment of contact it's on Amazon

2078
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:22,860
I believe it's 14.99 Julie has put it in

2079
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:24,900
our YouTube chat you can click on that

2080
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:26,520
it'll take you right to Amazon where you

2081
01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:28,980
can buy the film don't forget to rate it

2082
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,320
please pretty please with sugar on top

2083
01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:33,420
it's tremendously helpful in in a few

2084
01:24:37,130 --> 01:24:35,159
days it'll be up for rent it'll be even

2085
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:37,140
cheaper for everybody thank you for your

2086
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:40,380
support you guys thank you fantastic one

2087
01:24:44,930 --> 01:24:42,420
love uh for as I said for Debs for

2088
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:44,940
Nathan for James Fox's DJ saying peace

2089
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:48,179
out one love we'll see you down the road

2090
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,760
and as always we're always wondering

2091
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:53,040
what's up around the bend